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How about this theory ?? (Jay, I know you said in your 1st note that you had checked communication but...)Many mitigators would agree that it is more often than not a good idea to locate your main suction or vacuum point around the perimeter of the slab rather than the middle of the slab as common sense would dictate. One reason this is true is that most builders/contractors do a lousy job of compacting the earth or fill materials below the slab.  Concrete appears brittle but is really amazingly flexible.  If the fill or earth material below the slab settles say 1/4 inch over 20 or 30 years, the center of the slab will usually drop down with the fill below (often without cracking), however since the perimeter of the floorslab is often resting on a footing or masonry wall of some sort, the perimeter usually does not settle, and often there is a small gap between the bottom of the slab and the fill materials below which we can utilize for air movement or establishing a broader vacuum field.My theory, for what it is worth, is that the weight and mass of this huge pile of wood was depressing the floorslab and closing up any minute gaps between the slab and the fill below.  When the weight was removed, the slab said "ahhhhh", relaxed, rose ever so slightly, allowing you to pull air below that section, or establish a broader or more complete vacuum field.........or maybe without this massive pile of wood down there, you just have better air movement or circulation in the basement area in general, allowing for better dilution of the radon gas.On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Thomas wrote: I find it fascinating as well.  Bill Broad head did some work on     radon in the tree tops.  He may want to weigh in on this.  If the     guy has any wood left or an unfinished small project you could     confine it and test it, just to see what happens. This is why I subscribe the this list. Bruce On 5/16/2011 2:00 PM, Jay Bauder wrote: My                           scientific background doesn’t go too                           far beyond the celery in food coloring                           experiment, but I do find the responses,                           both private and private to be absolutely                           fascinating! Thanks! -Jay   ___________________________________From: International Web                             Resource for Radon Professionals                             [ mailto:RADONPROFESSIONALS@LIST.UIOWA.EDU] On                                 Behalf Of Martin Edelson Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:42 PM To: RADONPROFESSIONALS@LIST.UIOWA.EDUSubject: Re: [RNPROF] Radon in                             wood?   There is a large literature                           demonstrating the ability                           of trees to incorporate minerals they are in                           contact with through the                           environment. With particular reference to                           uranium, I looked into the                           incorporation of uranium into trees located on                           the Iowa State University campus in Ames , IA. During WWII, Iowa State University (then Iowa State College) participated in the                           Manhattan Project by utilizing a                           novel method to purify uranium metal destined                           for the first reactors at the University of Chicago and Oak                               Ridge .                            Something on the order of a million pounds of                           uranium ore were secretly                           processed in Ames . The university, which tore down the uranium                           processing facility on campus after                           the war, left trees adjacent to the facility                           standing. We took core samples                           from these trees and utilized inductively                           coupled plasma-mass spectroscopy with                           laser ablation sampling to measure uranium                           captured in tree rings. We were able                           to show that trees in the vicinity of the                           facility had excess uranium in tree                           rings. We also found lead taken up by trees in                           an EPA listed site near Des Moines .                           This site had                           once been used for battery cracking operations                           and, as a result, suffered from                           lead soil contamination. Given that uranium and other metals can be                           taken up by trees, wood planks could                           act as a source term for radon. However I do                           not know whether they can make a                           meaningful contribution to the radon in a                           structure without doing some                           calculations. It is also true that the trees                           we sampled were in locations with                           potentially extensive soil contamination. It                           may not be reasonable to expect                           trees in more pristine locations to show such                           effects. The first time I heard about this property of                           trees was at a meeting where Oak Ridge scientists                           described using such measurements to                           monitor acid raid in the Smoky Mountains .                           They found                           that the acidic nature of rain mobilized                           certain metals in soil minerals and                           that they could monitor the severity of acid                           rain by measuring the uptake of                           these metals in trees. When acid raid                           occurred, the trees were able to                           incorporate a greater concentration of the                           mobile metals then they had in the                           past.  On 5/16/2011 11:56 AM, Michael E. Kitto wrote: I agree with Bill, in                           that I see no way the wood could                           be a natural source for the radon unless the                           wood was contaminated with                           self-luminous paints, etc. or the soil had                           excessive amount of radium (or                           precursors). Uptake through the root system                           would be inefficient unless the                           tree(s) behave like Brazil nuts and adsorb                           Group 2 elements. My opinion - Mike                           Kitto Inactive hide details for "Field, R                        W" ---05/16/2011 12:22:13                        PM---"Field, R W"                        "Field,                           R W" ---05/16/2011 12:22:13 PM---"Field, R W" "Field, R W" Sent by: International Web                                   Resource for Radon Professionals 05/16/2011                                   12:22 PM Please                                           respond to "Field, R W" To RADONPROFESSIONALS@LIST.UIOWA.EDUcc Subject Re:                                           Radon in wood?   In my view, the wood is likely not the                           source of radon unless                           the wood was contaminated with radium-226 in                           the past by some unusual scenario.                           Wood products contain low levels of various                           radionuclides especially in areas                           that have been contaminated by a nuclear                           accident, nuclear releases, etc. http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/te_1376_web.pdfIn      …; most cases, radium-226 would not be a common                           radionuclide released by                           nuclear-related activities. Radium was                           previously used in self-luminous paints,                           as a component of lightning rods, to treat                           medical conditions (in the 1900s),                           etc. More information would be needed to                           assess any association between the                           wood and possible radium contamination. The                           radium-226 content of the wood, if                           it was still available, could be assessed. Perhaps                           others would have additional insights or                           opinions. From: Jay Bauder [ mailto:jbauder3@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:00                           AM To: Field, R W; RADONPROFESSIONALS@LIST.UIOWA.EDUSubject: Radon in wood? I                           have an anecdotal story and a                           question for the scientist/researchers in the                           group. A                           while back, I had a rather unique                           home to mitigate. It had been built in the                           1950’s with no stone under the slab.                           The garage slab had a dirt crawlspace under                           it, a condition that is very odd                           (at least in South Central Pennsylvania). It                           also had a sub-floor waterproofing                           system with a plastic waffle material at the                           floor wall joint that protruded                           about 6” up along the foundation along the                           back wall. The                           original radon readings were 18                           pCi/l. The                           system design consisted of an                           external fan on the back corner of the home, a                           suction point directly inside, a                           suction point on the far side, away from the                           waterproofing system, and a                           suction point through the rubber roofing that                           we installed in the crawlspace.                           We sealed the top of the waterproofing system,                           made sure the top of the wall                           was sealed, sealed the sump lid and all the                           cracks that we could access. The                           post test came back at 6 pCi/l. We returned,                           checked the pressure field                           extension, and everything seemed to be fine.                           The vacuum reading was well within                           manufactures specifications. We added a fresh                           air supply to the oil furnace.                           The post test results again came back at 6                           pCi/l. At                           this point, it was fair to say                           that I was frustrated. I told the homeowner                           that I wasn’t sure what to do next,                           but with all the wood that he had stored in                           the basement (close to 40% of the                           basement was stacked floor to ceiling with                           oak, cherry, walnut, and various                           other hardwoods) I couldn’t inspect the entire                           floor. I told him perhaps there                           was a drywell floor drain that was causing the                           problem. He agreed to sell the                           wood. He said that he had it for 20 or 30                           years, and wouldn’t be able use it                           all anyway. Once                           the basement was cleared, we                           inspected the floor and checked pressure field                           extension in the areas that were                           covered. Everything seemed fine. We took grab                           sample readings and couldn’t                           detect any significant radon or radon source.                           We provided (2) more charcoal                           canisters. Both came back at less than 1                           pCi/l. My                           question; Can trees absorb uranium                           decay products through their root systems and                           store them in the wood? I do                           realize that with homes that                           have slabs poured on dirt, the longer they                           systems operate, the more moisture                           is pulled from the soil and the greater the                           pressure field extension will                           become, but this just didn’t strike me as one                           of those occasions. I                           look forward to your responses, Jay                           Bauder Bauder                           Basement Systems, Inc ___________________________________No virus found in this message. 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